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John 14:2
In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
John 14:3
And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
John 14:4
And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.
John 14:5
Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?
john chapter 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
I agree with that statement.
Jesus was the way, the truth, and the life no man cometh unto Almighty God, but by me during his time.
every messenger at is time was the way the truth and the life threw Almighty God.
at the time of Moses was the way, the truth and the life no man cometh unto Almighty God, but by Moses.
at the time of Jesus was the way, the truth and the life no man cometh unto Almighty God, but by jesus.
at the time of Propet Muhammed (PBUH) was the way, the truth and the life no man cometh unto Almighty God, but by Muhammed Peace be upon him.
It mean's you follow me (my teaching) you are following (dirctly teaching) of God.
All Prophet's you follow there teaching you are following dirctly teaching of God.
John 14:7
If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
If you follow my commandment's you are following the commandment's of Almighty God.
John 14:8
Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us
john chapter 14:9
Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?
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Jul 23, 2008
4:17 PM
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John 10:23
And Jesus walked in the temple in Solomon's porch
John 10:24
Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.
John 10:25
Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.
John 10:26
But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
John 10:27
My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me
John 10:28
And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
follower of Jesus can't take frm is hand
John 10:29
My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
john 10:30
I and my Father are one
If am a Doctor and my farther is a doctor.
And I say me and my farther are one. Does it mean we are one person? Noooo
It means am a doctor and my farther a doctor. It don't mean one as a person (in purpose).
If you still say one as a perosn then lets carry on:
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Jul 23, 2008
4:18 PM
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John 17:21
That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
and I in thee = telling the 12 discples we all are one
John 17:22
And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
I have give them = 12 discples
If you believe in one purpose then you have to believe in 14 Gods.
Almight God and Jesus and 12 disciple's = 14 Gods
John 17:23
in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one
what is saying is God and Jesus and 12 disciple's teach the same truth, and giving the same message over one.
If you say they are exactly one, then changing the concept to 14 Gods.
God + Jesus + 12 disciple's = 14 Gods.
John 10:31
Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him
John 10:32
Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
John 10:33
The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
John 10:34
Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
John 10:35
If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scri'pture cannot be broken;
Psalm 82:6
I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
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Jul 23, 2008
4:18 PM
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umm eat what? lol you've got a point but the name of the topic?
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Jul 23, 2008
4:24 PM
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The name of the topic shows the regular small-mindedness of Umbro Khan and his likes. In his ability to prove his points he constantly has to resort to child-like taunts because that is the level of his very basic understanding. I have long concluded that this is the very best that he can do, so therefore being upset seems like a tremendous waste of time and energy. In his infantile mind he fails to see that this his long stopped being a petty competition in the minds of the real adults here.
Have fun Umbro, you get one smiley face sticker for your work (which is half done at best, and spoonfed to you at worst). Let's hope you can get a star for tomorrow:)
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Jul 23, 2008
6:15 PM
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actually kirk i think this is informative to me :)just abt everything i read in this forum is
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Jul 24, 2008
4:16 AM
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As you wish Lori H, as you wish:)
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Jul 24, 2008
6:07 AM
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It is hard to read long post but this one I found interesting. I dont know how christians counter this, may be they have something prepared which will add to further confusion. confusion and confusion and confusion and then they may give up and let their church do the thinking for them.......
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Jul 27, 2008
2:23 PM
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You said:
at the time of Moses was the way, the truth and the life no man cometh unto Almighty God, but by Moses.
at the time of Jesus was the way, the truth and the life no man cometh unto Almighty God, but by jesus.
at the time of Propet Muhammed (PBUH) was the way, the truth and the life no man cometh unto Almighty God, but by Muhammed Peace be upon him.
There were many Priests at the time of Moses....Where are the verses that say that no one could come to God without Moses?......Your statement is not correct.
You said:
John 17:22
And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
I have give them = 12 discples
If you believe in one purpose then you have to believe in 14 Gods.
Almight God and Jesus and 12 disciple's = 14 Gods
Your interpretation of this verse is wayyyyyy out there.....There is absolutely no statement that claims that Jesus seen the disciples as God.......He is referring to the fact that people can now be reunited in a relationship with God as it was in Eden with Adam and Eve.
In fact in Chapter 17 Jesus says:
Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word (deciples).....This would be the Gospels.
Psalm 82:6
I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
Its meaning in Psalm 82:6 does not imply that men are gods. It rather refers specifically to the fact that God has appointed judges to act in a dignified, God-like manner in the discharge of their God-appointed responsibilities.
Nice try but you are not correct....Please research the Bible before you come to decisions like these ones.
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Jul 30, 2008
5:57 PM
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LOL, Yusuf.
Interesting comeback when you don't know how else to respond.
:-P
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Jul 30, 2008
6:00 PM
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